Driving from Santa Ana, CA to Baltimore, MD


So here is our itinerary for driving cross-country: Day 1

  • Santa Ana, CA —> Flagstaff, AZ
  • 6h, 53m

Day 2

  • Flagstaff, AZ —> Amarillo, TX
  • 8h, 32m

Day 3

  • Amarillo, TX —> Little Rock, AR
  • 8h, 28m

Day 4

  • Little Rock, AR —> Knoxville, TN
  • 7h, 43m

Day 5

  • Knoxville, TN —> Harrisonburg, VA
  • 5h, 9m

Day 6

  • Harrisonburg, VA —> Baltimore, MD
  • 3h, 3m

Church Planting in Baltimore


We have some big news! This Fall we will be moving to Baltimore, Maryland with the goal of planting a church. This is something that God put in our hearts a few years ago as we considered church planting. It has been a growing desire for Melinda and I. While we are tremendously grateful for the opportunities that Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa has given us, we can’t shake the desire to get out on the front lines of ministry to start a new work.

Earlier this year our family spent some time in Baltimore scouting it out. We stayed in the downtown harbor area and drove through a few of the neighborhoods. It was a beautiful time to see the city. We came away from this time with a clear vision for ministry in the city.

Our plan is to move to the city in late November or early December. I will be looking for work in the city and we will begin to connect with people who are interested in the new church. Our kids will go back to being homeschooled for the remainder of the school year.

If you would like to receive updates you can sign up at www.baltimorechurchplant.com. These updates won’t just be about our family, we will also share information about the city, our church planting process, and other random info. It should be fun.

Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa and Pastor Brian have been tremendously supportive of this vision. And the church will be sending us out. It is impossible to be around Pastor Brian and not catch a bug for church planting and missions. (See the video below.)

We have been very blessed by our home church. It has been six years since we returned to Orange County after three and half years of ministry in Kauai. It has been a great season of ministry under Pastor Brian Brodersen. He supported the redevelopment of Calvary Chapel Univeristy and allowed that school to be incubated within Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa for a year and a half. He entrusted me with the development of CalvaryChapel.com in 2012 and again with the team in 2014. He allowed me to preach on Saturday nights. He invited me to become the regular host on the radio program Pastor's Perspective. And more recently we launched the Things that Matters program. I am grateful for our season here at Costa Mesa, and appreciative of their support as we leave to plant this church.

Thanks for praying for our family and again, check out www.baltimorechurchplant.com to start receiving regular updates.

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Top 5 Quotes from Darrin Patrick’s Church Planter

This past weekend I finished reading Darrin Patrick’s book Church Planter. It is an excellent summary of church in the 21st century. The book is broken into three main sections: The Man, The Message, The Mission. I particularly apreciated the first section as it deal with calling and character.

Here are my top five quotes from the book:

Regarding the pastorsal call...

In a heart-call, a deep inclination in the soul says, I must do this or I will die. The called man cannot imagine going into another vocation: he daydreams about ministry, he talks about ministry, and he cannot wait to be in ministry. There is an abiding, relentless desire for the work of ministry that the called man cannot shake off or ignore—even amidst hardship, persecution, and fear. This strong desire in the heart can sometimes result in anxiety and apprehension. Questions are forced to the surface, like Can I really do this? Can God really use me? What if I fail? Nothing provokes insecurity like signing up to follow God’s call and do God’s work. A man who is truly called may doubt and struggle with his calling at times, but ultimately he will not be able to walk away.

The Head Confirmation vs. The Heart Confirmation...

The man who is experiencing head confirmation is thoughtful about his own philosophy of ministry, his own ministry style, his own theological beliefs, his own unique gifts, abilities, and desires. In short, there is uniqueness to the way he wants to do ministry. Unlike many young men who know much about what they are against and little about what they are for, the man who is experiencing head confirmation thinks through very carefully and deliberately, What am I for with my life and ministry? What are my specific burdens for the church? How can I best serve the church in these areas?

The Mistake of Opperating Only in Personal Strengths

Pastors tend to stay in their strengths and avoid their weaknesses. “Theology guys” tend to spend a lot of time reading and discussing dead theologians. “Missional guys” tend to spend a lot of time analyzing culture and drinking lattes. “Shepherding guys” tend to spend a lot of time hanging out with people and counseling them. But rarely do we see pastors step out of their strengths into their areas of weakness. Why is this? Because it is uncomfortable. It is difficult. It is flesh-starving.

Realizing Ones Weakness Through Pastoral Shepherding

When you deal with the sin of others, you become more aware of your own sin. When you shepherd the stubborn, you see your own stubbornness. When you shepherd the selfish, you see your own selfishness. When you shepherd the broken, you inevitably see your own brokenness.

Good Rest vs. Bad Rest

Determined men take time seriously and are very intentional about how they use it. This does not mean that we never rest—far from it! But it does mean that we should be intentional about when and how we rest. For most of us, for example, redeeming the time probably does not mean spending hours each night watching television or surfing YouTube. Such activities may feel relaxing for the moment, but they are often a huge drain on our energy and ability to serve God and people well. For most of us, redeeming the time will mean that we work hard to eliminate unnecessary time suckers in our week, that we design a system for answering e-mails efficiently, that we think through our weekly schedules and priorities beforehand, and so on. You will be amazed at how much this kind of Edwardian discipline and intentionality will give you energy and refresh your ministry over the long stretch.

If you have read the book I would love to hear what gems you picked up.

Pastor Saeed Abedini Release

I was delighted to see the news about the release of Saeed Abedidni this morning. It has been a long, heart-breaking, saga since Saeed's imprisonment in 2012. His wife Naghmeh Abiding did an amazing job advocating on his behalf. She was perpetually available to the press and requests for interviews. Here is Nagmeh's tweet from this morning:

This past summer Naghmeh gave me an interview update on Saeed.

Christianity Today has started an article journalling the news of Saeed's release. You can find that here.

On Sunday, January 18th, 2016 I spoke with Naghmeh about Saeed's release: I'll update this article as more information becomes available.

Splitting 1 Timothy 2:12 In Half: Women Teaching and Leading In The Church

[This is a part of an email response I sent to a young lady who was asking about the Complementarian position and women teaching mixed audiences in the church. It does not delve deeply into an interpretation of 1 Timothy 2:12, but it does give a basic lay of the land.] Hi,

Thanks for contacting CalvaryChapel.com. You are asking an excellent question that is currently debated in Calvary Chapels. Since it is an ongoing debate I don’t feel comfortable speaking on behalf of anyone other then myself.

As you have discovered in your research, there are some Complementarians that distinguish between the teaching and exercising authority spoken of in 1 Tim. 2:12. I would be in that camp.

In support of women teaching mixed audiences I would point to the follow biblical examples:

  • Women wrote doctrinal worship songs and they are now scripture (Hannah, Miriam, Elizabeth, Marry)
  • A women birthed the Messiah (and every male leader that God called in OT and NT)
  • Women were the first to see the resurrected Christ and report their findings back to the apostles
  • Women were welcomed as students and learners of Jesus in Luke 10:38-42
  • Women were filled with the Holy Spirit in the same way that men were
  • Women were gifted to prophesy
  • Women were permitted to pray in the church

When it comes to women not exercising authority I would point to the following biblical examples:

  • 1 Timothy 2 appears to teach that women should not take an authoritative role in the church
  • I look at the garden and who God made responsible for sin and how that theology is developed through the NT.
  • I look at the fact that 99% of the time God raised up men to be leaders in the OT. Additionally the priesthood was a male only role.
  • I look at the fact that Jesus chose 12 men to be disciples.
  • I look at the absence of female presbyters (elders) in the NT.
  • I look at the male leadership of the husband in marriage established in Ephesians 5.
  • The qualifications for an elder in Titus 1 are written for men and hinge on leadership in the home.

As is always the case, we want to let scripture interpret scripture. In my opinion it is difficult to look at all of scripture and say women cannot teach a mixed audience. At the same time, when I read through all of scripture I don’t see a strong case for women being the head leadership of the church.

Other then that short answer, I’ll try to point you toward some resources that might help you answer this question.

Here is an article that Pastor Kellen wrote on the subject:

I also really enjoyed Kathy Keller’s book: Jesus, Justice and Gender Roles.

Hope that helps!

God bless,

Josh Turansky

The Potential Danger When Warning Against Christian Liberties


Today on Pastor's Perspective we had a follow up call regarding pastors and alcohol. Yesterday Julie called to ask about an incident that occurred over Christmas. She was at a meal with her pastor and his wife and they were drinking wine. This shocked Julie and she called to ask if that was okay. Both Pastor Brian and I assured her that drinking alcohol was not a sin but that drunkeness was a sin. Later in the hour we got a call about gambling and we gave some warnings against gambling. You can view the show here. Today we got a follow up question asking if we were being consistent in our response to Julie in the same way that we had talked about gambling. It was an excellent follow up in that allowed us to clarify both our comments on gambling and alcohol.

You can watch the dialog here... (starting around the 45 minute mark)


I wanted to explain briefly what I meant when I said that there can be a danger when a leader gives warnings about Christian liberties.

First, Christian liberties are discussed in 1 Corinthians 8-10, Romans 14-15, and Galatians 2. There are other related passages, but I would classify those three locations as "home base" when we discuss the theology of Christian liberty.

Second, Christian liberty is an arena where people can make ethical decisions that are not governed explicitly by scripture. It is essential that we understand that arena as a one which is purchased by the blood of Jesus and one where the Holy Spirit wants to help us decide how to live. A Christian's liberty is directly tied to the work of Christ on the cross.

"For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery." - Gal. 5:1

When we get Christian liberties wrong we aren't just being legalistic or licentious, we are impugning the finished work of the cross. Our freedom (liberty) is personally connected to Jesus. He paid for our liberty with his blood.

This is an important point because both the weak brother and the strong brother (Rom 14-15) could mistakenly strip the arena of liberty from it's personal connection with Jesus. The legalist (weak brother) boasts in what liberties they don't exercise at the expense of other's spiritual wellbeing (Gal. 2:14-21). The strong brother might mistakenly flaunt their liberties at the expense of other's conscience before God (1 Cor. 8:9-13). But both are violating the implications of the cross.

Third, all liberties can be abused to the point of sin or natural consequences.... including the two we discussed on the radio today: alcohol and gambling. That being the case it is appropriate for pastor's and Christian leaders to warn against excess. Hebrews 13:17 says that Christian leaders keep watch for the souls of those they lead. And that passage implies spiritual leadership.

And that brings me to my point.

When a pastor warns believers regarding Christian liberties and encourages limits they must do so without condemning the stronger brother. If the stronger brother hears the warning of the Christian leader and falls under condemnation that Christian leader has plaid the role of Peter in Galatians 2. If the stronger brother feels less spiritual after hearing the leaders warning then the leader has begun to impact the work of grace in that persons life.

Excessive warning does not compliment the New Covenant message of grace because it can give a sense of spiritual superiority to the person who limits their freedom. We know that our righteousness comes from Jesus Christ and not through us limiting our Christian liberty. By coming down hard on Christian liberties a leader can easily convey a moralistic gospel rather then the message of God's grace. Therefore the christian leader must warn (1 Cor 4:14; Col 1:28; 1 Thess 5:14) without condemning the strong brother and without miscommunicating the gospel of grace.

The Bible gives three specific reasons why we limit our Christian liberty:

  1. We limit our freedom for the sake of the gospel message reaching non-believers. (1 Cor. 10:23-33)
  2. We limit our freedom for the sake of other Christian's conscience. (1 Cor. 8)
  3. We limit our freedom so that our sinful nature is not indulged (1 Corinthians 6:12, Galatians 5:13, Proverbs 4:23)

The biggest emphasis for Paul as he discussed Christian liberties was the advancement of the gospel, second to that, Paul asked for a mutual love. The strong and weak were exhorted to love one-another and not judge each other.

A couple of years ago I shared at length on this given topic. You can watch my lecture here:


Pastor's Perspective with Brian Brodersen and Ed Stetzer

On December 18th we were privileged to have Dr. Ed Stetzer on Pastor's Perspective with Brian and I. Ed happened to be in town to help his daughter check out Biola University and was gracious enough to give us an hour in the studio. We talked about living a life on mission for God, the purpose of denominations, the Syrian Refugee crisis and the controversy surrounding the Wheaton College professor who was placed on administrative leave of absence. [embed]https://youtu.be/SzpZB3qnpWc?t=2m18s[/embed]

Lessons From Fallen Leaders


If there is one accepted fact among millennials it is this: leaders aren’t perfect. From politics to business to sports and the church, this fact is illustrated on a annual basis.

But I find it interesting how leaders are now handling their fall from grace. I don’t have a grand summarizing statement about the evolution of post-fall activity. But I do find some aspects of this interesting.

  • access to the internet platform that these leaders developed are not revoked when they resign
  • many people are willing to forgive and allow those leaders to have a voice in their life as long as they are humble

Over the past month Mark Driscoll has reemerged starting with a lengthy interview with Brian Houston. And now blogging at markdriscoll.com. Both parts of the interview are worth watching.

The second leader who has been interesting to watch has been Tullian Tchividjian. On June 21st Christianity Today wrote about Tullian’s resignation from the pastorate. His resignation occurred after having admitted to an inappropriate relationship with a women. He recently gave an interview to the Vanderbloemen Leadership Podcast.

For myself personally, I appreciate both of these leaders and value their voice in the the public square. I am always concerned about the people who may have been wounded by these leaders failures, but I don’t believe that these leaders silence will be the antidote to the pain of the wounded . And I say that as one who has been wounded by bad leadership in the past.

I would love to hear your thoughts on either of these cases.

Help Jim Mulligan


My friend Jim Mulligan faithfully attends Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. He prays for our church every Saturday night with a handful of other guys. He is one of the kindest men I know.

Recently he told me a crazy story.

On paper he is dead. According the the Veterans Administration Jim was killed in Vietnam around 1968. It took him 20 years to receive an honorable discharge. But to this day he cannot access any type of retirement. He has been living off of an extremely small Social Security check over the past decade and doing side carpentry work.

I am trying to connect him with someone who can advocate on his behalf.

So far Jim has been to the VA offices in Los Angeles and Mission Viejo, California. In both instances he has been told that the paperwork that is needed is located in the National Archives. They said “We’ll call you when we find them.” That was last year.

Jim has also been to US House Representative Dana Rohrabacher’s office. He was given a basic form to fill out letting the congressmen know what he needs.

I have only heard horror stories about the VA in the news. I haven’t had a face for it until now.

If you have any suggestions on what Jim could do please added them in the comments below.

The Pastor’s Saturday Prayer Closet

I love the prayer outline provided by Zach Eswine in his book on preaching. Here it is: 

  • Illumination - Psalm 119:18 "Open my eyes, that I may see wondrous things from Your law."
  • A message - Ephesians 6:19 "and for me, that utterance may be given to me, that I may open my mouth boldly to make known the mystery of the gospel,"
  • An open door - Colossians 4:3 "meanwhile praying also for us, that God would open to us a door for the word, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in chains,”
  • Effectiveness - 2 Thessalonians 3:1 "Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may run swiftly and be glorified, just as it is with you,"
  • Clarity - Colossians 4:4 "that I may make it manifest, as I ought to speak."
  • Boldness - Ephesians 6:20 "for which I am an ambassador in chains; that in it I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak."
  • Deliverance - 2 Thessalonians 3:2 "and that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men; for not all have faith."

My Traffic is Low So I'm Going To Hate On Driscoll Today

That is the headline I see in my mind every time there is a new Mark Driscoll article on a blog. I'm a cynic of the cynics. I do web strategy everyday and I'm well aware of what a highly opinionated piece about a popular figure will do for your web site traffic. You can wrap it in as much sanctimonious language as you want. At the end of the day that article is a product of our age and the weird world of the internet.

That is my rant for the day...


Prayer Without the Small Print


A few weeks ago I had the privilege of finishing out the book of James with the Saturday Night Bible Study. My text was James 5:13-20 "Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is anyone cheerful? Let him sing psalms. 14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. 16 Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much. 17 Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain; and it did not rain on the land for three years and six months. 18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth produced its fruit. 19   Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, 20 let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins."

James 5 - Josh Turansky from Josh Turansky on Vimeo.

Bits, Rudders and Sparks


James gives three examples of small natural elements that cause an effect 100 times its own size: bits, rudders and sparks. A bit in the mouth of a horse can direct the large beast. A small wooden rudder can direct a massive ship through the water. A small spark can ignite a huge forest fire. And embedded within these examples is the principle that a pure life is possible if the tongue is under control.

But does James suggest this as a hypothetical to tease out the depravity of man? Is he dangling a carrot in front of eyes to motivate holiness? Is the tamed tongue on display behind a glass window? These are some of the questions we looked at on Saturday night as we studied James 3.

I'd love to hear your opinion on James 3 and specifically verse 2. Is James saying that it is possible to tame the tongue or is it just a hypothetical point that leads to a bigger point? What do you think?

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Real Christians Pull The Trigger


Pull the trigger. Ship the product. Execute. Finish the race. We are all familiar with these sayings. And the idea is communicated by James within the first chapter of his letter. This isn’t just activity for activities sake. James it talking about actions that are issued as a response to the text. "I read this here and so I’m going to do this now." Earlier this month I had the opportunity preach at CCCM from the book of James. Here is the sermon in its entirety.

I want to be a better doer of the Word

  1. Read with understanding
    1. Pray for the Holy Spirit to reveal truth every time you open the Bible
    2. Make regular use of basic commentaries and study helps
    3. Sit under good Bible teaching through your church
  2. Make application to your own life
    1. Identify the principles in the text (sometimes they teach us about God and other times they teach us about ourselves)
    2. Talk to God about that principle (prayer)
    3. Evaluate your life based on that principle
  3. Plan to do the Follow Up Action
    1. Start with a personal pronoun “I”
    2. Identify the verb “Relate the action to time “today”, “this week”

Note: This is why journaling or writing things down can be helpful. To do this whole process in your brain and then remember it is nearly impossible.

Josh Teaching James 1

We Are Doing Well And Having Fun


Back in October I wrote a post about Pastor Brian Brodersen and his new role as the pastor of Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa. That was four months ago. It was one of the most popular blog posts that I've put up. A lot has taken place at the church since that time. You may have seen the Christianity Today Magazine interview with Pastor Brian that was met with overwhelming enthusiasm. It has been an amazing season. I thought I would give a brief update (from my perspective) and share a few videos.

The Ratification of Brian Brodersen

The Calvary Chapel of Costa Mesa Bylaws state that the governing board is responsible for picking the next Senior Pastor and then the congregation is given an opportunity to ratify that designation through a vote. The Bylaws only require this type of procedure in special circumstances and picking a new Senior Pastor was one of those circumstances. This was surprising to me. I was not aware of a congregational vote within Calvary Chapel. But it ended up being a beautiful evening. As the video below shows, Pastor Brian had overwhelming support.

Service Changes 

Early in January Pastor Brian lead the church in a week of prayer. For that week the church gathered every evening to prayer for various topics like missions, the Church in America, and Orange County. There was a good sized group of people every night. When it was all said and done those who attended were saying "We need to do this more often."

The week of prayer was one of the things Pastor Brian shared about at the 2014 Vision service (video embedded below). He also explained the upcoming changes to the different services. The three services that he adjusted were the Sunday morning, Sunday night and Wednesday night services. These are the primary gatherings for the church.

Historically Pastor Chuck taught a topical message on Sunday morning that was based on a text being studied in depth during the Sunday evening service. This is a model that has been adopted by some other Calvary Chapels: primarily the larger fellowships that draw a big enough crowd for both a Sunday morning and Sunday evening service.

Pastor Brian felt led to do more in-depth verse-by-verse exposition during the Sunday morning service. He moved the Through the Bible study from Sunday Nights to Wednesday Nights. And this gave him the freedom to start a new service that had been in his heart for a while. He called the new Sunday Night service Acts 2:42. As Pastor Brian explained it, this new service would include Bible Study, Fellowship, Prayer and Communion. He also added a weekly testimony into the mix. If you are interested in watching a testimony and Bible study from this service you can view them here. This service has been amazing.


At the end of October the church hosted the public memorial for Pastor Chuck. The Honda Center was almost completely full and a half a million people watched the video stream online. If you weren't one of those 500,000 people who viewed the feed you can check it out here.

The Men's Conference took place on October 26th and had a significantly larger crowd then the preceding year.

People Changes 

Over the last four months we have added a few new faces. Kellen Criswell has joined the staff and is helping develop the new calvarychapel.com. Lance Emma joined the team and is overseeing KWVE, Calvary Distribution and The Word For Today. A few key staff that were serving at the Bible College in Murrieta have moved up here to Costa Mesa including Dave Shirley and Mark Schwartz.

We have also seen two guys go out and plant churches in the local area. We sent Garid Beeler out in January and two weeks ago we sent out Tommy Cota. Garid’s church is called Vision City Church and it meets in North Irvine. Tommy’s church is called Hope Alive Santa Ana. Both of these fellowships filled their meeting spaces on the first Sunday and seem to be doing well. 

Structural Changes

We have also seen some facility changes and systems changes that have been fruitful. Two weeks after Pastor Chuck passed away we moved the sound board out of an isolated room upstairs down into the sanctuary. This helped the sound guys to hear the live mix in the room rather than guessing from upstairs.

The Fellowship Hall is in the process of being remodeled. I’ve peeked at it once and am excited to see the final results. I think the church is going to love it.

CCCM Fellowship Hall

Different ministries moved offices on campus. A third-party tenant moved out of the second floor of the Logos building and made space for Veritas Seminary. Starting this Fall there will be three different higher education schools on the second floor of the Logos building.

KWVE 107.9, the church’s radio station, saw some changes with the program schedule. These changes added more contemporary music into the mix and a couple of new shows.

The Bottom Line

There have been some very good changes that have taken place over the last four months. We are seeing very strong attendance at all of the main services. There is no known factions or contingents of opposition. The congregation loves Pastor Brian. The staff is more unified than ever. Internal communication is getting better. And people are giving their life to Lord on a weekly basis. Like I said up top, we are doing well and having fun.

Link Fest 2-13-14

Theology and the Church: 
  • Abortion numbers drop to the lowest rate since legalization in 1973 Linked here…
  • Justin Bieber was seeking spiritual help after his run in with the law. Linked here...



Now My Dad Makes Sense


I had an ah-ha moment this afternoon. You know that moment when a mental puzzle piece finally falls into place. I thought I would share it here briefly. I love my dad, but his teaching ministry is so different from the Calvary Chapel tribe. He is extremely practical. Daily application along with concrete steps is one of his highest priorities. He is always on the lookout for wisdom principles that can help people do life in a way that glorifies God. He was a lifehacker before such a thing existed. He has written half a dozen books about family life and speaks around the country at conferences and ministry events. My wife has said, and I agree with her, that my dad has the gift of wisdom.

But his teaching style is so different from most Calvary Chapel pastors. And I have wondered where his style and emphasis fits within the variegated call of God to preach.

When I read this quote from Zack Eswine it was like it finally clicked.

"Notice that wisdom speech possesses a missional capacity. Like the prophetic and priestly paradigms, God’s Word for the wise is true and absolute. But unlike the prophetic and priestly literature, the roles of the exodus or the covenant are not made explicit; they are assumed. Wisdom remains covenantal but carries a “generic” ethos. The wise do not require one to possess an up-front understanding of God as Israel’s redeemer in order to meaningfully learn about God. They hold to the law and promises of their fathers, yet they offer instruction without explicit reference to Abraham, Moses, or the exodus. Familiarity with the Bible is not, therefore, required for one to access the sayings, stories, and speeches of the wise. The stuff of life rather than the stuff of redemption as a starting point enables those unfamiliar with salvation history to access the message." - Eswine, Zack. Preaching to a Post-Everything World

This is taken from chapter 8 where he is talking about the preacher’s ministry be based upon the sage-like material of the Old and New Testament. In essence, Eswine is saying that wisdom principles can carry the water on gospel truth for nonbelievers who have not yet been persuaded of the whole gospel.

And this is exactly what I have seen in my dad’s ministry. He has offered free parenting classes to the community as an outreach to the community. These classes have served as a communication bridge that the gospel can also be carried across.

It is genius and now I know where it fits.

[Here is a video interview that he did regarding his latest book.]

Puzzle Piece